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Boxer KO's Ref
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n***@yahoo.com
2005-02-26 19:04:15 UTC
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http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm

The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Bud Light
2005-02-26 21:36:01 UTC
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Yup....that was an amateur fight....they didn't wear head gear back then.
The Canadian fighter was Willie DeWitt.
Post by n***@yahoo.com
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm
The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Scott
2005-02-27 01:41:53 UTC
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The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name was
Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes :-|

Maybe Mel would know the details.
Post by Bud Light
Yup....that was an amateur fight....they didn't wear head gear back then.
The Canadian fighter was Willie DeWitt.
Post by n***@yahoo.com
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm
The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Scott
2005-02-27 04:08:08 UTC
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A little more research...the Cuban fighter was Pedro Cardenas and DeWitt
stopped him in the second round.
Post by Scott
The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name was
Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes :-|
Maybe Mel would know the details.
Post by Bud Light
Yup....that was an amateur fight....they didn't wear head gear back then.
The Canadian fighter was Willie DeWitt.
Post by n***@yahoo.com
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm
The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Highway66
2005-02-27 23:56:58 UTC
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I caught this fight on videotape years ago. I've since looked for it but
can't find it. Yes it was Willie DeWitt and the Cuban fighter knocked the
Ref out cold (he was trying to break them up) .. he didn't even try and
break his fall on the way down because his lights were totally out!
Post by Scott
A little more research...the Cuban fighter was Pedro Cardenas and DeWitt
stopped him in the second round.
Post by Scott
The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name
was Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes
:-|
Maybe Mel would know the details.
Post by Bud Light
Yup....that was an amateur fight....they didn't wear head gear back then.
The Canadian fighter was Willie DeWitt.
Post by n***@yahoo.com
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm
The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Melanie Ley
2005-02-28 04:03:01 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:08:08 -0800, "Scott"
Post by Scott
The Canadian boxer (DeWitt) went on to stop the Cuban boxer in this match
IIRC, but don't know his name, Funny thing is I remember the refs name was
Bert something while I can't remember where my car keys are sometimes :-|
Maybe Mel would know the details.
Yes, I know who the ref was and, along with not being able to
find my keys either, can't remember his last name. He was a terrible
amateur ref and it took Canada some years to finally get rid of him.
He never lived down his being KOd. He came to a So. Calif. tournament
many years ago with one of the Canadian teams. He was awful! Even
the Canadian boxers and coaches were embarrassed by his lack of
skills.




Mel

Amateur Boxing News at
www.amateurboxing.com
Dave N.
2005-02-28 04:46:57 UTC
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Thanks for the info so far. Just to be complete, here are a few more
questions.

Did DeWitt knock out Cardenas?
Who was the referee?
When was the fight?
Where was the fight?
Was it for a title?

DeWitt won Silver for Canada in the 1984 Olympics. Was this fight
connected to the Olympics?

Thanks for helping solve the mystery... Dave N
moises ramos jr
2005-02-28 17:11:39 UTC
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maybe Corly should of done the same to the ref
Scott
2005-02-28 17:39:50 UTC
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I would venture to say that the bout was part of a Pan Am games competition,
maybe 1983.
Don't know any other details to those questions...
Post by Dave N.
Thanks for the info so far. Just to be complete, here are a few more
questions.
Did DeWitt knock out Cardenas?
Who was the referee?
When was the fight?
Where was the fight?
Was it for a title?
DeWitt won Silver for Canada in the 1984 Olympics. Was this fight
connected to the Olympics?
Thanks for helping solve the mystery... Dave N
Melanie Ley
2005-03-02 02:53:28 UTC
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Post by Dave N.
Thanks for the info so far. Just to be complete, here are a few more
questions.
Did DeWitt knock out Cardenas?
Who was the referee?
When was the fight?
Where was the fight?
Was it for a title?
The bout took place in June, 1982 in Las Vegas at the North
American Championships. DeWit won by RSC (KO) in the second round.
The referee was Bert Lowes from Vancouver (he was awful!).
Post by Dave N.
DeWitt won Silver for Canada in the 1984 Olympics. Was this fight
connected to the Olympics?
No.
Post by Dave N.
Thanks for helping solve the mystery... Dave N
Mel

Amateur Boxing News at
www.amateurboxing.com
Dave N.
2005-03-02 19:44:33 UTC
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Great! I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
link to yours, Mel. Thanks. -Dave
Melanie Ley
2005-03-03 14:19:43 UTC
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Post by Dave N.
Great! I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
link to yours, Mel. Thanks.
Thanks for the link, Dave. I appreciate it!

You have a very interesting web site. 8-) I'm not sure what
you're doing, but I like your photos.






Mel

Amateur Boxing News at
www.amateurboxing.com
Ruddell
2005-03-03 17:07:51 UTC
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Post by Melanie Ley
Post by Dave N.
Great! I updated the page... www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm and made a
link to yours, Mel. Thanks.
Thanks for the link, Dave. I appreciate it!
You have a very interesting web site. 8-) I'm not sure what
you're doing, but I like your photos.
And thanks to you Mel and everyone else who helped on this one. I know
this question has come up before and never really answered. Tillman
always stuck in my head but it just didn't sound right...
--
Cheers

Dennis

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Dave N.
2005-03-04 00:56:59 UTC
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The Internet is great because you can usually find interested people
who can help you find what you need to know.

Thanks for your comment about my site, Mel. A similar discussion arose
from a composite photo I made from a 1954 movie clip. The picture and
link to the discussion are here:
http://dualmoments.com/prelinger/conniemack.htm

About Tillman:

DeWit fought Tillman a number of times in his amateur and pro career.
The following is about the 1984 Olympics and comes from
"sportsbookmagazine.com":

"DeWit faced American Henry Tillman in the heavyweight final. Tillman,
who learned to box while in prison for armed robbery, had defeated a
then-unknown Mike Tyson in the U.S. Olympic trials. DeWit had beaten
Tillman in their two previous meetings but was upset by the American in
a unanimous decision."

I read elsewhere that that decision was controversial.

I think DeWit's final pro fight was against Tillman. He won that one.
He then went on to become a partner in a law firm in Alberta, Canada.

Dave N.
Scott
2005-03-04 07:48:18 UTC
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I remember the Gold medal match, albeit vaguely, and I don't remember it
being controversial, though it was fairly close.

Also, I believe Willie is a judge now (and has been one for some time)...
Post by Dave N.
The Internet is great because you can usually find interested people
who can help you find what you need to know.
Thanks for your comment about my site, Mel. A similar discussion arose
from a composite photo I made from a 1954 movie clip. The picture and
http://dualmoments.com/prelinger/conniemack.htm
DeWit fought Tillman a number of times in his amateur and pro career.
The following is about the 1984 Olympics and comes from
"DeWit faced American Henry Tillman in the heavyweight final. Tillman,
who learned to box while in prison for armed robbery, had defeated a
then-unknown Mike Tyson in the U.S. Olympic trials. DeWit had beaten
Tillman in their two previous meetings but was upset by the American in
a unanimous decision."
I read elsewhere that that decision was controversial.
I think DeWit's final pro fight was against Tillman. He won that one.
He then went on to become a partner in a law firm in Alberta, Canada.
Dave N.
a***@gmail.com
2017-02-12 18:13:06 UTC
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Post by n***@yahoo.com
http://www.dualmoments.com/refko.htm
The picture at the link is from the opening credits to "Malcolm in the
Middle." The boxer on the right accidentally punched the referee and
knocked him out. He's from Cuba and the boxer on the left might be
from Canada. Looks like a leaf on his shirt. Does anyone know the
details?
Bert was my coach from 1967-69 while I trained and fought as a Vancouver Firefighter. I watched that entire bout when it was on Wide World of Sports. That punch that hit Bert was the only punch the Cuban threw the entire night and it was after the last bell! Bert was stepping in to stop the action and got clobbered on the forehead.
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