I'm convinced George Foreman has some kind of reason to not blow the lid off the fixed fight with Ali in Zaire!

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

George hasn't blown the lid off of it because it isn't true.

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

George hasn't blown the lid off of it because it isn't true.
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Foreman was physically and mentally whooped by the end of the sixth round. He couldn't intimidate Ali, couldn't hurt him, and Ali was talking to him all fight....all of those things were new to Foreman I think. I don't buy any excuses here, or any fixed fight theories. Ali just took him to school.

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That fight wasn't fixed. George pounded the hell out of Ali. No matter how hard you hit, there's alwys someone who can take it. Ali could take it, and that surprised George.

[Emanuel Berg]

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George was drugged.

You already told us this. I believe that you believe it. But I don't
believe it. I don't think you can convince a whole lot of people. But
even if you could, what's the point? So relax.

[David Daniels]

The point is that we must always.....ALWAYS remember the Alamo!!!!!!!!!!
Ok Mr. Iceberg? O the humanity!

[skinnysteve]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

got any comments on any current fights ?

[Mentalguy2k8]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain
"bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in
Zaire by having a certain someone >slip George some tranquilizing
medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who
told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had

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been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for

kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali
could have beaten George >Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at
what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to
destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes >against some kind
of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George
was drugged.

I think Ali got inside Foreman's head before and during the fight, and also
did his homework. He out-thought and out-fought Foreman. Foreman fell for
the Ali trash-talking, tried to KO him with almost every punch, and wore
himself out. Ali just soaked it all up and waited for Foreman to tire.
Foreman's stamina ran out but it doesn't mean he was drugged. I think
towards the end of the fight they both looked as fatigued as each other, but
look at the amount of work Foreman put in over 8 rounds, he exhausted
himself and Ali had just enough left to finish it.

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain
"bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in
Zaire by having a certain someone >slip George some tranquilizing
medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who
told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had

Post by r***@gmail.com
been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for

kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali
could have beaten George >Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at
what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to
destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes >against some kind
of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George
was drugged.

I think Ali got inside Foreman's head before and during the fight, and also
did his homework. He out-thought and out-fought Foreman. Foreman fell for
the Ali trash-talking, tried to KO him with almost every punch, and wore
himself out. Ali just soaked it all up and waited for Foreman to tire.
Foreman's stamina ran out but it doesn't mean he was drugged. I think
towards the end of the fight they both looked as fatigued as each other, but
look at the amount of work Foreman put in over 8 rounds, he exhausted
himself and Ali had just enough left to finish it.

I think you just nailed it. Foreman ( young version) clearly had stamina issues if a fight got into the middle/late rounds. It wasn't until his successful comeback, at close to 40 years of age, that he finally understood how to pace himself in the ring.

[Mentalguy2k8]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain
"bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in
Zaire by having a certain someone >slip George some tranquilizing
medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who
told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had

Post by r***@gmail.com
been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for

kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali
could have beaten George >Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at
what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to
destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes >against some kind
of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George
was drugged.

I think Ali got inside Foreman's head before and during the fight, and also
did his homework. He out-thought and out-fought Foreman. Foreman fell for
the Ali trash-talking, tried to KO him with almost every punch, and wore
himself out. Ali just soaked it all up and waited for Foreman to tire.
Foreman's stamina ran out but it doesn't mean he was drugged. I think
towards the end of the fight they both looked as fatigued as each other, but
look at the amount of work Foreman put in over 8 rounds, he exhausted
himself and Ali had just enough left to finish it.

I think you just nailed it. Foreman ( young version) clearly had stamina
issues if a fight got into the middle/late rounds. It wasn't until his
successful comeback, at close to 40 years of >age, that he finally
understood how to pace himself in the ring.

Foreman himself said years later that he made all kinds of excuses for
losing after that fight, because he simply didn't know how to deal with
losing. He was 40-0 or something before that fight, throwing dozens of huge
shots and not visibly hurting Ali must have played havoc with his mind and
his stamina. And he took a lot of good shots too.

[s***@gmail.com]

Ali won primarily by holding and hitting; the Big Guy, now successful beyond all dreams, doesn't need to complain about what happened.

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by Mentalguy2k8
I think Ali got inside Foreman's head before and during the fight,
and also did his homework. He out-thought and out-fought
Foreman. Foreman fell for the Ali trash-talking, tried to KO him
with almost every punch, and wore himself out. Ali just soaked it
all up and waited for Foreman to tire.

That's exactly right (from what I've heard, read, and seen, many
decades later). It was believed that Foreman was bigger and stronger,
and that Ali would "dance" around (yuk - that word) and jab: Foreman's
bet was to trap Ali by the ropes and then hammer him. However, the
fight didn't transpire that way: Ali seemingly had no objections going
to the ropes, nailing George with straight rights (not the jab). In
fact, Ali did lots of this in sparring: pain management, but also
defensive boxing (or whatever you'd like to call it). This turn of
events (in the fight) surprised George, but it also surprised Ali's
corner, who in despair urged Ali to do the old "dance" stuff. But it
was even more confusing to Foreman, because he found himself in the
strange situation that his tactics worked, only they didn't.

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

I agree. THe FBI has now revealed that the two Liston fights were fixed by the Mafia. "Big Money" saw that an Ali win would be worth multi-millions. Foreman could not be allowed to win. THey bought Sadler! When George complained some men with vowels at the end of their names told Foreman to shut his mouth if he wanted to stay alive! Sadler, the "medicine" in the water, Sadler's instructions, the short 8 count of the referee for the "knockout," the intentionally loosened ropes for Ali to hang on,.....no way is this coincidence. The fight was fixed to give millions of dollars to a few people.

[SkippyPB]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

I agree. THe FBI has now revealed that the two Liston fights were fixed by the Mafia. "Big Money" saw that an Ali win would be worth multi-millions. Foreman could not be allowed to win. THey bought Sadler! When George complained some men with vowels at the end of their names told Foreman to shut his mouth if he wanted to stay alive! Sadler, the "medicine" in the water, Sadler's instructions, the short 8 count of the referee for the "knockout," the intentionally loosened ropes for Ali to hang on,.....no way is this coincidence. The fight was fixed to give millions of dollars to a few people.

The FBI has not said the fights were fixed. Forty-year-old documents
released to The Washington Times under the Freedom of Information Act
last February show that the FBI suspected the fight was fixed by the
Las Vegas mob. Suspected and actual proof are two different things in
case you didn't know.

More specifically, the documents point to Irving "Ash" Resnick, a
Vegas gambler with alleged mob ties. Resnick was suspected of fixing
multiple boxing matches, including the one between Ali and Liston.

Note the words "alleged" and "suspected". No proof, just something
rotten in Denmark. Now if you have definiteve proof of these acts,
publish them, otherwise specualting does nothing but spread rumor.

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Post by SkippyPB
More specifically, the documents point to Irving "Ash" Resnick, a
Vegas gambler with alleged mob ties. Resnick was suspected of fixing
multiple boxing matches, including the one between Ali and Liston.

I bet he paid-off Joe Bugner and Chuck Wepner to take dives too, but in
a real cagey way--by going the distance!

Post by SkippyPB
Note the words "alleged" and "suspected". No proof, just something
rotten in Denmark.

Just *smells* like something's rotten in Denmark, but it might be some
really good blue cheese.

[DCI]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

I agree. THe FBI has now revealed that the two Liston fights were fixed by the Mafia. "Big Money" saw that an Ali win would be worth multi-millions. Foreman could not be allowed to win. THey bought Sadler! When George complained some men with vowels at the end of their names told Foreman to shut his mouth if he wanted to stay alive! Sadler, the "medicine" in the water, Sadler's instructions, the short 8 count of the referee for the "knockout," the intentionally loosened ropes for Ali to hang on,.....no way is this coincidence. The fight was fixed to give millions of dollars to a few people.

The FBI has not said the fights were fixed. Forty-year-old documents
released to The Washington Times under the Freedom of Information Act
last February show that the FBI suspected the fight was fixed by the
Las Vegas mob. Suspected and actual proof are two different things in
case you didn't know.
More specifically, the documents point to Irving "Ash" Resnick, a
Vegas gambler with alleged mob ties. Resnick was suspected of fixing
multiple boxing matches, including the one between Ali and Liston.
Note the words "alleged" and "suspected". No proof, just something
rotten in Denmark. Now if you have definiteve proof of these acts,
publish them, otherwise specualting does nothing but spread rumor.
Regards,

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Steve

At his stage of the game in my life, I'll choose to shut the door on all the hyperbole of the Muhammad Ali years.

DCI

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain "bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

I agree. If you watch George at the beginning of that fight he looks off. If something looks too good to be true...

[Juan Anonly]

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Maybe George was paid to keep quiet about the fact that a certain
"bloodsucker" in boxing who we all known fixed the Ali vs Foreman fight
in Zaire by having a certain someone slip George some tranquilizing
medication? Or Maybe George's good heart was appealed to by someone who
told him that if he persisted in telling people the truth (which is he
had been drugged) it would not be good for Boxing and it would not be
good for kids who look up to Ali as a role model. How anyone could
believe that Ali could have beaten George Foreman is beyond my
thinking. I mean look at what George did to Frazier,and Norton? Those
guys both had the firepower to destroy Ali. Ali was no better than
those two. It goes against some kind of natural law of physics that Ali
prevailed over George Foreman. George was drugged.

I agree. If you watch George at the beginning of that fight he looks
off. If something looks too good to be true...

Dream on...