HW revival?

Post by Edmund
OK Tyson Fury seems to be finished, mental issues they say.

I guess you're referring to such as this: http://tinyurl.com/z7lacjk
which leverages the opinion of Eddie Hearn, manager for Anthony Joshua.
I find that a somewhat self-serving; he doesn't have enough info to
know he'll never fight again.

Post by Edmund
Although some ( me for instance ) suspect the Clinchclowns of doping use,
now the Furies, both of them, are caught cheating. In addition to that,
it is said that Tyson told doping agents to fuck off and refused to
comply. So that pretty much secured the end of Tyson Fury as a boxer.
Clinchclown - Fury is off.

Liam Smith refused drug testing against Canelo, who has consistently
complied with USADA rules. As a result for their recent fight, neither
tested. Fury may well be stripped of his title for his inability to
get his shit together and do the rematch with Klitschko, but combining
all that into a "never fight again" concept is I think a push. Hell,
Lord Canelo discarded the middleweight crown to avoid fighting
Golovkin, and it won't hurt their eventual fight receipts by a nickel.

Actually if stripped, followed by Joshua losing to Klischko, Fury will
likely get even more money for the rematch then. I doubt that is his
logic, but it might be the reality.

Post by Edmund
Now on the bright side, Anthony Joshua offered Clinchclown a fight.
THAT will be interesting, it is said that Joshua needs more mileage
before taking on a sneaky dirty wrestler like clinchclown and it is said
Joshua is a bit static/robotic.

It will be interesting, at least for a few minutes anyway. He has the
right physical mechanics, but might be a perfect patsy for Klitschko,
whose experience and ability to neck-holding/clinch is as legendary has
Mayfield.

Post by Edmund
But what I have seen from him, he is not so robotic and he is fast strong
and have perfect timing.
Given he is too tall for clinchclown to do his thing, which is hanging
and holding, I think Joshua will dismiss him easily IF his corner
instruct him properly.

That's a big if, but it would be nice to get Klitschko out of the game
altogether. If Klitschko stays in the game for another few years as
anything but a title holder, no young heavyweight needs risk a fight
with him.

Post by Edmund
( Immediately hit Clinchclown on his nuts right from the very first time
he start wrestling )

Ah--pull a Andrew "Nutcracker" Golota? Sure. Hell, why not butt him
coming out of the gate? Honestly, the way you deal with a Klitschko or
Mayweather is to stay out of their reach. And more importantly--ensure
you have a referee that has been known--at some time in his history--to
take away points for holding. Preferably more than once in a single
fight. Surely there's one or two...

Post by Edmund
So that will be the end the annoying boring clinchclown era and we can
look forward to a much more attractive HW division.
Let hope for the best.

Indeed, whether it's this year or next he'll be moving on and it seems
the field will be pretty interesting.

Edmund

2016-09-27 21:21:50 UTC

Post by Edmund
OK Tyson Fury seems to be finished, mental issues they say.

I have seen several sources with a similar message and the doping
accusation isn't doing him any good either. Taking away his title and
possible money isn't very motivating I guess.
Then if he in addition really refused to comply with the doping agents,
that doesn't sound good to me.

Liam Smith refused drug testing against Canelo, who has consistently
complied with USADA rules. As a result for their recent fight, neither
tested. Fury may well be stripped of his title for his inability to get
his shit together and do the rematch with Klitschko, but combining all
that into a "never fight again" concept is I think a push. Hell, Lord
Canelo discarded the middleweight crown to avoid fighting Golovkin, and
it won't hurt their eventual fight receipts by a nickel.
Actually if stripped, followed by Joshua losing to Klischko, Fury will
likely get even more money for the rematch then. I doubt that is his
logic, but it might be the reality.

I disagree here, Joshua is too tall for convenient wrestling like he love
so much.

Post by Edmund
But what I have seen from him, he is not so robotic and he is fast
strong and have perfect timing.
Given he is too tall for clinchclown to do his thing, which is hanging
and holding, I think Joshua will dismiss him easily IF his corner
instruct him properly.

I know it is a big if, but that is the way I like it.
Honestly I never thought much of either clinchclown but they are
physically strong ( very likely on dope ) and they absolutely make the
very best of their very limited boxing skills with the help of corrupt
referees and a lot of wrestling.

Post by Edmund
( Immediately hit Clinchclown on his nuts right from the very first
time he start wrestling )

Ah--pull a Andrew "Nutcracker" Golota? Sure. Hell, why not butt him
coming out of the gate? Honestly, the way you deal with a Klitschko or
Mayweather is to stay out of their reach.

Again I disagree, strongly!. I have seen far too much clinchclown wrestle
matches and I never ever believe my eyes and cannot understand why on
earth all those foolish dwarfs don't do as I say. Hit him in the nuts
every freaking time he starts wrestling. I assure you he will stop
wrestling then. I know I would AND throw him over the ropes too.

Post by Juan Anonly
And more importantly--ensure
you have a referee that has been known--at some time in his history--to
take away points for holding.

That NEVER happens, Clinchclown bring there home/corrupt referees each
and every time. To add an insult to injury I have seen there opponents
penalized on more then one occasion.

Post by Juan Anonly
Preferably more than once in a single
fight. Surely there's one or two...

Post by Edmund
So that will be the end the annoying boring clinchclown era and we can
look forward to a much more attractive HW division.
Let hope for the best.

Indeed, whether it's this year or next he'll be moving on and it seems
the field will be pretty interesting.

Yes I have not seen much boxing lately and I really hope Joshua will
bring back some live in the HW and this group.

Edmund

Juan Anonly

2016-09-28 15:10:51 UTC

Post by Edmund
OK Tyson Fury seems to be finished, mental issues they say.

Understood; I'm just saying depression didn't end Timothy Bradley's
career, and doping certainly didn't hurt Mayweather's career--for
example.

Post by Juan Anonly
It will be interesting, at least for a few minutes anyway. He has the
right physical mechanics, but might be a perfect patsy for Klitschko,
whose experience and ability to neck-holding/clinch is as legendary has
Mayfield.

I disagree here, Joshua is too tall for convenient wrestling like he love
so much.

It will be interesting to see; Klitschko's has more than a decade of
skill at the task.

Post by Juan Anonly
Indeed, whether it's this year or next he'll be moving on and it seems
the field will be pretty interesting.

Yes I have not seen much boxing lately and I really hope Joshua will
bring back some live in the HW and this group.

Same here.

Edmund

2016-09-28 16:58:29 UTC

Post by Edmund
OK Tyson Fury seems to be finished, mental issues they say.

Understood; I'm just saying depression didn't end Timothy Bradley's
career, and doping certainly didn't hurt Mayweather's career--for
example.

You're right about that but I think it is a little different in Fury's
case. I have not much trust in Fury, I heard rumors about quiting boxing
for quite some time and I don't believe in putting on 30 kg fat in
between fights either.

I disagree here, Joshua is too tall for convenient wrestling like he
love so much.

It will be interesting to see; Klitschko's has more than a decade of
skill at the task.

He has but mostly against opponents that are 30 kg lighter and 40 cm
shorter then him, he doesn't wrestle as well against people of his own
length.