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Predictions: Cotto vs. Alvarez
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Emanuel Berg
2015-06-20 02:56:38 UTC
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Hello, RSB folks.

I just saw Cotto vs. Geale. I had Cotto wining that
fight - but not KO-ing Geale so convincingly, and
early in the fight, even with his right hand!

There was a time I considered Cotto an old
30-something fighter with his glory days well in his
past. Then he fought Mayweather and arguably won
a couple of rounds. He started to work with
Mr. Roach and suddenly he is fighting like a 20-some
kid for which there is no tomorrow. Putting Martinez
out of his misery wasn't as telling as this, as
Martinez had had a long stretch of injuries and had
even taken a couple of semi-beatings in recent fights.
In this fight, Cotto disposed of Geale like he was
some new kid on the block that had to be tought the
pecking order of the neighborhood. The only thing
that might cloud the sky is that Geale in his
second-previous fight lost bad to Golovkin - how much
that took out of Geale, no one knows.

Now, Cotto is bound to fight Alvarez. Alvarez is
a great boxer in terms of putting together
combinations, he has power (and the chin to go with
it), but he is a flat-footed fighter, and he punches
big and wiiide. This gets him into trouble against
boxers who move, while looking great against no-hopers
who just charge forward (with sideway head movements
at best) hoping to win with arm punches on the inside
(?!).

Cotto can box and move, but to land his left hook he
must turn himself into a shell, wag forward, and get
close. So, if Cotto executes an all-but perfect game
plan, he will be able to frustrate Alvarez with hooks
and then do boxing with movement as to not get
hit himself.

That is why I have Cotto winning a close fight on
the scorecards.

Golovkin on the other hand is the best "ordinary"
boxer I ever saw. Of course there isn't anything
ordinary about him. He is extraordinary to be sure in
his ordinariness. He punches are perfect and so is his
footwork - or ring movements, I should say, because
his steady and relaxed and supremely confident pace is
the opposite of the jittery, bouncy boxer.
Mayweather and Pacquiao (Pacman of the Morales and
Barrera days) are perhaps "better", but they are not
normal. They don't look and fight like club fighters.
Golovkin on the contrary is like a computer executing
a simulation of a fighter that is spotless. It is
amazing to behold. It is like he can't miss and again,
his punches are just gorgeous.

So if ever GGG fights either Cotto or Alvarez I have
GGG the winner by KO. In the case of Alvarez, I hope
that fight doesn't happen because it might be very
dangerous to Alvarez as he wouldn't know how to handle
the situation.
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2015-06-20 04:26:47 UTC
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Post by Emanuel Berg
Hello, RSB folks.
I just saw Cotto vs. Geale. I had Cotto wining that
fight - but not KO-ing Geale so convincingly, and
early in the fight, even with his right hand!
There was a time I considered Cotto an old
30-something fighter with his glory days well in his
past. Then he fought Mayweather and arguably won
a couple of rounds. He started to work with
Mr. Roach and suddenly he is fighting like a 20-some
kid for which there is no tomorrow. Putting Martinez
out of his misery wasn't as telling as this, as
Martinez had had a long stretch of injuries and had
even taken a couple of semi-beatings in recent fights.
In this fight, Cotto disposed of Geale like he was
some new kid on the block that had to be tought the
pecking order of the neighborhood. The only thing
that might cloud the sky is that Geale in his
second-previous fight lost bad to Golovkin - how much
that took out of Geale, no one knows.
Now, Cotto is bound to fight Alvarez. Alvarez is
a great boxer in terms of putting together
combinations, he has power (and the chin to go with
it), but he is a flat-footed fighter, and he punches
big and wiiide. This gets him into trouble against
boxers who move, while looking great against no-hopers
who just charge forward (with sideway head movements
at best) hoping to win with arm punches on the inside
(?!).
Cotto can box and move, but to land his left hook he
must turn himself into a shell, wag forward, and get
close. So, if Cotto executes an all-but perfect game
plan, he will be able to frustrate Alvarez with hooks
and then do boxing with movement as to not get
hit himself.
That is why I have Cotto winning a close fight on
the scorecards.
Golovkin on the other hand is the best "ordinary"
boxer I ever saw. Of course there isn't anything
ordinary about him. He is extraordinary to be sure in
his ordinariness. He punches are perfect and so is his
footwork - or ring movements, I should say, because
his steady and relaxed and supremely confident pace is
the opposite of the jittery, bouncy boxer.
Mayweather and Pacquiao (Pacman of the Morales and
Barrera days) are perhaps "better", but they are not
normal. They don't look and fight like club fighters.
Golovkin on the contrary is like a computer executing
a simulation of a fighter that is spotless. It is
amazing to behold. It is like he can't miss and again,
his punches are just gorgeous.
So if ever GGG fights either Cotto or Alvarez I have
GGG the winner by KO. In the case of Alvarez, I hope
that fight doesn't happen because it might be very
dangerous to Alvarez as he wouldn't know how to handle
the situation.
Interesting observations. Which of the three you've mentions fights with the greatest intensity?

DCI
Emanuel Berg
2015-06-20 19:53:52 UTC
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Interesting observations. Which of the three you've
mentions fights with the greatest intensity?
Hah, good question! Now you made me think. I'll ask
you to answer it yourself in a while.
But instinctively I'd say Cotto. I mentioned Alvarez
great combination punching but Cotto can also put
together six punches like a soup in a tub.
Golovkin's pace is so measured. His super-human power
relieves him of having to rush things. He is like an
old tiger - looks good and relaxed, but one better not
get too close still :)
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Tony
2015-07-18 22:42:49 UTC
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Post by Emanuel Berg
Hello, RSB folks.
I just saw Cotto vs. Geale. I had Cotto wining that
fight - but not KO-ing Geale so convincingly, and
early in the fight, even with his right hand!
There was a time I considered Cotto an old
30-something fighter with his glory days well in his
past. Then he fought Mayweather and arguably won
a couple of rounds. He started to work with
Mr. Roach and suddenly he is fighting like a 20-some
kid for which there is no tomorrow. Putting Martinez
out of his misery wasn't as telling as this, as
Martinez had had a long stretch of injuries and had
even taken a couple of semi-beatings in recent fights.
In this fight, Cotto disposed of Geale like he was
some new kid on the block that had to be tought the
pecking order of the neighborhood. The only thing
that might cloud the sky is that Geale in his
second-previous fight lost bad to Golovkin - how much
that took out of Geale, no one knows.
Now, Cotto is bound to fight Alvarez. Alvarez is
a great boxer in terms of putting together
combinations, he has power (and the chin to go with
it), but he is a flat-footed fighter, and he punches
big and wiiide. This gets him into trouble against
boxers who move, while looking great against no-hopers
who just charge forward (with sideway head movements
at best) hoping to win with arm punches on the inside
(?!).
Cotto can box and move, but to land his left hook he
must turn himself into a shell, wag forward, and get
close. So, if Cotto executes an all-but perfect game
plan, he will be able to frustrate Alvarez with hooks
and then do boxing with movement as to not get
hit himself.
That is why I have Cotto winning a close fight on
the scorecards.
Golovkin on the other hand is the best "ordinary"
boxer I ever saw. Of course there isn't anything
ordinary about him. He is extraordinary to be sure in
his ordinariness. He punches are perfect and so is his
footwork - or ring movements, I should say, because
his steady and relaxed and supremely confident pace is
the opposite of the jittery, bouncy boxer.
Mayweather and Pacquiao (Pacman of the Morales and
Barrera days) are perhaps "better", but they are not
normal. They don't look and fight like club fighters.
Golovkin on the contrary is like a computer executing
a simulation of a fighter that is spotless. It is
amazing to behold. It is like he can't miss and again,
his punches are just gorgeous.
So if ever GGG fights either Cotto or Alvarez I have
GGG the winner by KO. In the case of Alvarez, I hope
that fight doesn't happen because it might be very
dangerous to Alvarez as he wouldn't know how to handle
the situation.
I believe just about anyone can get knocked out in the ring. If I was
betting the fight I'd bet on Alvarez by knockout in the 7th round. The
big super fight if it takes place of course would be Andre Ward vs.
Golovkin. Take Andre Ward by second round knockout over Golovkin. Triple
G has no defense whatsoever against a superior boxer.
Emanuel Berg
2015-07-18 23:04:57 UTC
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Post by Tony
I believe just about anyone can get knocked out in
the ring. If I was betting the fight I'd bet on
Alvarez by knockout in the 7th round.
Betting fights is so difficult, but to make it
interesting and not chicken out, I say Alvarez-Cotto
split decision Alvarez.
Post by Tony
The big super fight if it takes place of course
would be Andre Ward vs. Golovkin. Take Andre Ward by
second round knockout over Golovkin. Triple G has no
defense whatsoever against a superior boxer.
UD 12 GGG.
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