Wladimir Klitschko vs Brynat Jennings

[SkippyPB]

SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT!

In case you haven't seen it yet, don't read on.

Wladimir Klitschko successfully defended his title for the 18th time
with a UD over a very game Brynat Jennings. Jennings was aggressive
taking the fight right to Wladimir but it wasn't enough to overcome
Klitschko's superior experience, strength and skills.

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[Juan Anonly]

Post by SkippyPB
SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT!
In case you haven't seen it yet, don't read on.
Wladimir Klitschko successfully defended his title for the 18th time
with a UD over a very game Brynat Jennings. Jennings was aggressive
taking the fight right to Wladimir but it wasn't enough to overcome
Klitschko's superior experience, strength and skills.
Regards,

NOBODY holds like Klitschko--he's the master of the game.

[b***@gmail.com]

It appeared to me that Wlad might be showing his age a bit. There were a number of times where Jennings looked vulnerable to a straight right hand from Klitschko, but he either wouldn't - or couldn't quite pull the trigger. At least that was my impression. Wonder who's next in line.- Fury, or the Alabama Wild Man?

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by b***@gmail.com
It appeared to me that Wlad might be showing his age
a bit.

I didn't see anything new in this fight from Wlad.
What was different was his opponent, Jennings.
Wlad has for a long time fought guys who just walked
right in on him. OK, Povietkin at least punched his
way in but that was the exception.

When you advance on Wlad straight on it is his
favorite game. His jab is so explosive and precise,
and rock solid when it lands - continuing to walk into
that doesn't take a big guy to the late rounds!

Jennings didn't do that *and* for the most part held
his hands kickboxing high or peek-a-boo-ish - which
still didn't stop Wlad from landing the trademark jab
and occasional followup cross.

For realizing and employing the correct tactics, the
warrior Gods of Terra Prima awarded Jennings the honor
of going the distance with the champ.

Post by b***@gmail.com
There were a number of times where Jennings looked
vulnerable to a straight right hand from Klitschko

I think Jennings to the degree that is humanly
possible took the right hand away from Klitschko.

But what I saw (several times) was Jennings being
vulnerable to the right hook to the body, on the
inside. However Wlad doesn't go there: he holds and
leans (and locks). Why? All that armlock and wrestling
stuff doesn't look good, and what's more, I'm not sure
that Wlad opponents are automatically better on the
inside, just because they are much worse on the
outside! - on the contrary, if Wlad had put his mind
(and body) into hooks to the body close-quarters say
some five years ago, he could have put down many guys
with such shots.

But - it seemed it worked out quite well for him just
the same :)

[Juan Anonly]

Post by Emanuel Berg

Post by b***@gmail.com
It appeared to me that Wlad might be showing his age
a bit.

I didn't see anything new in this fight from Wlad.
What was different was his opponent, Jennings.
Wlad has for a long time fought guys who just walked
right in on him. OK, Povietkin at least punched his
way in but that was the exception.
When you advance on Wlad straight on it is his
favorite game. His jab is so explosive and precise,
and rock solid when it lands - continuing to walk into
that doesn't take a big guy to the late rounds!
Jennings didn't do that *and* for the most part held
his hands kickboxing high or peek-a-boo-ish - which
still didn't stop Wlad from landing the trademark jab
and occasional followup cross.

Additionally Jennings was capable of shrugging off Vlad's punching
power--you can't say that about too many of his opponents.

Post by Emanuel Berg
For realizing and employing the correct tactics, the
warrior Gods of Terra Prima awarded Jennings the honor
of going the distance with the champ.

Post by b***@gmail.com
There were a number of times where Jennings looked
vulnerable to a straight right hand from Klitschko

I think Jennings to the degree that is humanly
possible took the right hand away from Klitschko.

I think his hand was hurt. The television folks commented on it, and
it was particularly strange that he would rather go 12 rounds with
Jennings, sometimes looking harried, rather than use his right.

Post by Emanuel Berg
But what I saw (several times) was Jennings being
vulnerable to the right hook to the body, on the
inside. However Wlad doesn't go there: he holds and
leans (and locks). Why? All that armlock and wrestling
stuff doesn't look good, and what's more, I'm not sure
that Wlad opponents are automatically better on the
inside, just because they are much worse on the
outside! - on the contrary, if Wlad had put his mind
(and body) into hooks to the body close-quarters say
some five years ago, he could have put down many guys
with such shots.

And would likely have taken a few tumbles himself. I think a boxer
should learn to keep two things paramount in his mind: A) If you don't
get hit, you won't get hurt. B) If you don't hit your opponent you
won't win. So: Avoid being hit while hitting your opponent. Vlad (and
Mayweather by the way) are masters at A. With Vlad's opponents he is
generally a master at B (while Mayweather just barely tips the scales
each time).

Post by Emanuel Berg
But - it seemed it worked out quite well for him just
the same :)

As long as "not looking good" doesn't bother him, and he didn't have an
early post-fight dinner planned, it worked out perfectly.

[Edmund]

Post by Juan Anonly

Post by b***@gmail.com
It appeared to me that Wlad might be showing his age a bit.

I didn't see anything new in this fight from Wlad. What was different
was his opponent, Jennings.
Wlad has for a long time fought guys who just walked right in on him.
OK, Povietkin at least punched his way in but that was the exception.
When you advance on Wlad straight on it is his favorite game. His jab
is so explosive and precise, and rock solid when it lands - continuing
to walk into that doesn't take a big guy to the late rounds!
Jennings didn't do that *and* for the most part held his hands
kickboxing high or peek-a-boo-ish - which still didn't stop Wlad from
landing the trademark jab and occasional followup cross.

Additionally Jennings was capable of shrugging off Vlad's punching
power--you can't say that about too many of his opponents.

For realizing and employing the correct tactics, the warrior Gods of
Terra Prima awarded Jennings the honor of going the distance with the
champ.

Post by b***@gmail.com
There were a number of times where Jennings looked vulnerable to a
straight right hand from Klitschko

I think Jennings to the degree that is humanly possible took the right
hand away from Klitschko.

I think his hand was hurt. The television folks commented on it, and it
was particularly strange that he would rather go 12 rounds with
Jennings, sometimes looking harried, rather than use his right.

But what I saw (several times) was Jennings being vulnerable to the
he holds and leans (and locks). Why? All that armlock and wrestling
stuff doesn't look good, and what's more, I'm not sure that Wlad
opponents are automatically better on the inside, just because they are
much worse on the outside! - on the contrary, if Wlad had put his mind
(and body) into hooks to the body close-quarters say some five years
ago, he could have put down many guys with such shots.

And would likely have taken a few tumbles himself. I think a boxer
should learn to keep two things paramount in his mind: A) If you don't
get hit, you won't get hurt. B) If you don't hit your opponent you
won't win. So: Avoid being hit while hitting your opponent. Vlad (and
Mayweather by the way) are masters at A. With Vlad's opponents he is
generally a master at B (while Mayweather just barely tips the scales
each time).

But - it seemed it worked out quite well for him just the same :)

As long as "not looking good" doesn't bother him, and he didn't have an
early post-fight dinner planned, it worked out perfectly.

I missed the fight, nobody seemed to care about it I didn't see any
advertising, nobody spoke about it either and I do know why.
Normally I fall asleep during the clinchclowns wrestling matches
yesterday it was broadcasted again but I zapped away from it during the
third round, BORING dirty wrestling as ever.
For the first time EVER I heard people making sensible comments about
clinchclown, " it is very hard to get to him given his reach advantage,
the only way is to get close to him but then he jumps on his opponent and
hangs on him" " Since the ( WWF ) referees always let him get away with
that, he will continue to do so"

Clinchclowns always fighting cruiserweights which are 50 cm shorter then
them and a lot lighter. Is that how the heavyweight devision is now, is
there really nothing better around?
Then, what is wrong with the self proclaimed trainers, don't they see how
the clinchclowns wrestle? Can't they think of a way to stop that? I know
I can, go at his balls full force pick him up and throw him over the rope.
Lets see after he took 3 full blows on his nuts if he still jumps on his
opponent if he knows he will get another one.
I don't care if "my fighter" will be disqualified, if clinchclown wants
to wrestle he should join wrestle mania.

Klitschkos are always in great shape, I like what they did by neglecting
Don King and they do have boxing skills, so it is a shame why they turn
boxing into a boring WWF showcase. I don't understand why those wwf
referees don't do there job either. Klitschko would have his first point
deducted after 1.5 minute in the first round if I was the ref.
That was the 3th time he jumped upon his opponent.

I don't know what is wrong with boxing today, I read that Mayweather
don't agree with a penalty if he get caught using doping???
So that is pretty much the same as saying " yes I'm on it" and when I
take a look at Klitschko, I don't think he is the only one.

Edmund

[Juan Anonly]

Post by Edmund
I missed the fight, nobody seemed to care about it I didn't see any
advertising, nobody spoke about it either and I do know why.
Normally I fall asleep during the clinchclowns wrestling matches
yesterday it was broadcasted again but I zapped away from it during the
third round, BORING dirty wrestling as ever.
For the first time EVER I heard people making sensible comments about
clinchclown, " it is very hard to get to him given his reach advantage,
the only way is to get close to him but then he jumps on his opponent and
hangs on him" " Since the ( WWF ) referees always let him get away with
that, he will continue to do so"
Clinchclowns always fighting cruiserweights which are 50 cm shorter then
them and a lot lighter. Is that how the heavyweight devision is now, is
there really nothing better around?

For any figher, there's nothing better than winning.

Post by Edmund
Then, what is wrong with the self proclaimed trainers, don't they see how
the clinchclowns wrestle? Can't they think of a way to stop that?

A trainer is not going to stop a boxer from doing something that aids
them in winning.

Post by Edmund
I know I can, go at his balls full force pick him up and throw him over
the rope.

A DQ isn't in their own interests.

Post by Edmund
Lets see after he took 3 full blows on his nuts if he still jumps on his
opponent if he knows he will get another one.
I don't care if "my fighter" will be disqualified, if clinchclown wants
to wrestle he should join wrestle mania.

That kind of attitude for a trainer will ensure his career is a short one.

Post by Edmund
Klitschkos are always in great shape, I like what they did by neglecting
Don King and they do have boxing skills, so it is a shame why they turn
boxing into a boring WWF showcase. I don't understand why those wwf
referees don't do there job either. Klitschko would have his first point
deducted after 1.5 minute in the first round if I was the ref.
That was the 3th time he jumped upon his opponent.

It's a slippery slope. Hardly any fight avoids clinches altogether.
Are we to penalize everyone in every fight in which there is a clinch?
I don't like it either as a major defense mechanism, which is how Vlad
uses it. It is indeed the referee's fault. He should have taken 3 or 4
points away from him. He still would have won, but he would have
looked like an idiot. I think that would have been fair.

Post by Edmund
I don't know what is wrong with boxing today, I read that Mayweather
don't agree with a penalty if he get caught using doping???

That is some strange logic, but the reality is that Manny's lawyers
didn't catch that in the contract, so Mayweather and company can do
what they like.

Post by Edmund
So that is pretty much the same as saying " yes I'm on it" and when I
take a look at Klitschko, I don't think he is the only one.

[Edmund]

Post by Juan Anonly

Post by Edmund
I missed the fight, nobody seemed to care about it I didn't see any
advertising, nobody spoke about it either and I do know why.
Normally I fall asleep during the clinchclowns wrestling matches
yesterday it was broadcasted again but I zapped away from it during the
third round, BORING dirty wrestling as ever.
For the first time EVER I heard people making sensible comments about
clinchclown, " it is very hard to get to him given his reach advantage,
the only way is to get close to him but then he jumps on his opponent
and hangs on him" " Since the ( WWF ) referees always let him get away
with that, he will continue to do so"
Clinchclowns always fighting cruiserweights which are 50 cm shorter
then them and a lot lighter. Is that how the heavyweight devision is
now, is there really nothing better around?

For any figher, there's nothing better than winning.

Post by Edmund
Then, what is wrong with the self proclaimed trainers, don't they see
how the clinchclowns wrestle? Can't they think of a way to stop that?

A trainer is not going to stop a boxer from doing something that aids
them in winning.

Post by Edmund
I know I can, go at his balls full force pick him up and throw him over
the rope.

A DQ isn't in their own interests.

Post by Edmund
Lets see after he took 3 full blows on his nuts if he still jumps on
his opponent if he knows he will get another one.
I don't care if "my fighter" will be disqualified, if clinchclown
wants to wrestle he should join wrestle mania.

That kind of attitude for a trainer will ensure his career is a short one.

Post by Edmund
Klitschkos are always in great shape, I like what they did by
neglecting Don King and they do have boxing skills, so it is a shame
why they turn boxing into a boring WWF showcase. I don't understand why
those wwf referees don't do there job either. Klitschko would have his
first point deducted after 1.5 minute in the first round if I was the
ref.
That was the 3th time he jumped upon his opponent.

It's a slippery slope. Hardly any fight avoids clinches altogether.
Are we to penalize everyone in every fight in which there is a clinch?
I don't like it either as a major defense mechanism, which is how Vlad
uses it. It is indeed the referee's fault. He should have taken 3 or 4
points away from him. He still would have won, but he would have looked
like an idiot. I think that would have been fair.

I don't think that would be fair, if I was a ref I would not allowed it
the whole match.
As said, I would have the first point deducted in the first round the 3rd
time he jumped upon his opponent which was after 1.5 minute!!
The second round I would deduct another point the second time he jumped
upon him. I would have continued that way even deducting 2 points or more
in one round and warned him that I will disqualify him if he goes on like
that and would have kept my promise.

Post by Juan Anonly

Post by Edmund
I don't know what is wrong with boxing today, I read that Mayweather
don't agree with a penalty if he get caught using doping???

That is some strange logic, but the reality is that Manny's lawyers
didn't catch that in the contract, so Mayweather and company can do what
they like.

Well that is what I find strange, AFAIK doping is ( officially ) not
allowed and in other sports they can take the whole purse of athletes
who get caught. Not only they can take the purse they can strip them from
there titles, they can exclude them for taking part in there sport
varying from 1 year to the rest of his live.
Very weird there are different rules for Mayweather.

Post by Juan Anonly

Post by Edmund
So that is pretty much the same as saying " yes I'm on it" and when I
take a look at Klitschko, I don't think he is the only one.

Edmund

[Juan Anonly]

Post by Edmund

Post by Juan Anonly
It's a slippery slope. Hardly any fight avoids clinches altogether.
Are we to penalize everyone in every fight in which there is a clinch?
I don't like it either as a major defense mechanism, which is how Vlad
uses it. It is indeed the referee's fault. He should have taken 3 or 4
points away from him. He still would have won, but he would have looked
like an idiot. I think that would have been fair.

I don't think that would be fair, if I was a ref I would not allowed it
the whole match.

That's what I just said.

Post by Edmund
As said, I would have the first point deducted in the first round the 3rd
time he jumped upon his opponent which was after 1.5 minute!!
The second round I would deduct another point the second time he jumped
upon him. I would have continued that way even deducting 2 points or more
in one round and warned him that I will disqualify him if he goes on like
that and would have kept my promise.

Then you would have waited by your telephone for the rest of your
career as a "referee" because nobody would call you for another gig.
Showing a clearn and obvious bias doesn't cut it. Also having some
fixation on one technique or another that is--for better or worse--a
fixture in boxing at every level would also keep you from refereeing
again.

But as a fan with an opinion, I appreciate your "strategy" just fine.
I would have DQ'd Vlad myself, though likely not in this fight; I
certainly would have DQ'd him (after requisite warnings and points
taken) in his fight against Alexander Povetkin.